The Unchurching Podcast

Right now millions of believers are leaving the organized church, without abandoning their faith. Join Richard Jacobson, author of Unchurching: Christianity Without Churchianity, and his good friend, Gunnar Falk, as they discuss real life experiences in genuine spiritual community, outside the box.
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May 22, 2017

Richard and Gunnar interview Forrest Head, Director of North America for Big Life. You can learn more about Big Life here: and take part in the Zume Project by going here:

May 15, 2017

After hearing Jesus Stories Part 1 (the last bonus episode), our good friend Gillian pulled her car off to the side of the road, and recorded this incredibly powerful, unscripted testimony. You do not want to miss this one!

May 8, 2017

One popular analogy for the journey out of the organized church is the Israelites' journey out of Egypt. Richard and Gunnar deconstruct that analogy, and uncover some implications that often go overlooked.

May 1, 2017

Finally, Richard and Gunnar tackle the number one recurring question they receive from listeners.

Apr 24, 2017

In this episode, you'll hear a wide variety of personal stories from various listeners of The Unchurching Podcast. If have a story you would like to share on the show, please go to for more info.

Apr 24, 2017

In this episode, Richard and Gunnar tackle a few more questions from members of the Unchurching Facebook group.

Apr 17, 2017

A few months ago, we tackled some big myths about pastors. That episode was so popular, and we got so many followup questions, we decided to make a sequel, tackling some more myths about this imaginary church position.

If you haven’t heard it yet, make sure to check out the previous episode, Senior pastor myths, here:

Apr 10, 2017

035 A talk with Milt Rodriguez

Richard and Gunnar talk with long-time church planter Milt Rodriguez about what makes some organic church communities more fruitful than others.

If you’re interested in the conference mentioned in this episode, you can find out more here:

Also, if you’d like to get Milt’s free ebook about planting organic churches, click here:

And be sure to check out Milt’s blog!

Apr 3, 2017

Richard and Gunnar interview Mark and Elsa Eikema, founders of the rapidly growing De Kerklozen Facebook community:

Mar 27, 2017

Richard and Gunnar tackle a tough question from one of our listeners.

Mar 20, 2017

Author Skeeter Wilson talks about being an American who lived outside America until he was 19, and how that affected his perspective on American Christianity and the way we do church.

You can find Skeeter’s website here:

His book, Crossing Rivers, is on Amazon here:

And his book, Worthless People, is on Amazon here:

Mar 13, 2017

Richard and Gunnar interview Temidayo “Dayo” Adeyemo, a church planter in Nigeria. Dayo not only discusses the work he’s doing with various house churches, but also shares his perspective on what it means to “disciple the nations” as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28.

Mar 6, 2017

Richard asks Gunnar about a very encouraging post he shared recently with the Unchurching Facebook group. If you’ve felt discouraged lately, you should definitely listen to this episode!

Feb 27, 2017

Richard and Gunnar interview two families who have embarked on a co-housing journey together, in order to experience continuous Christian community.

Feb 20, 2017

Richard and Gunnar interview Renee Roederer, a minister who organizes a meetup for Nones and Dones in Ann Arbor, Michigan:

Feb 13, 2017

Richard and Gunnar interview former vocational pastor, Kenny Burchard, about his unchurching journey. Kenny is one of the primary contributors at You can find his feature page on the site here:

Feb 6, 2017

Richard and Gunnar conclude their interview with Keith Giles, author of Jesus Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics to Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb. You can find out more about Keith’s book here:

Jan 30, 2017

Richard and Gunnar interview Keith Giles, author of Jesus Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics to Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb. You can find out more about Keith’s book here:

Also, check out Keith interview on Not Your Pastor’s Podcast:

And his interview on the Halfway There podcast:

Jan 23, 2017

Richard and Gunnar interview blogger Mark Lake about the difference between church communities that rely on a pastor to express Christ to the group, versus church communities where the group expresses Christ together.

To read the post that inspired this interview, check out Mark’s blog here:

Jan 16, 2017

Richard and Gunnar offer words of encouragement, joy, and hope for all believers, but especially for those who are unchurching.

Jan 9, 2017

In this episode, Richard and Gunnar tackle a few different questions from members of the Unchurching Facebook group. Also, we reference a roundtable discussion between Neil Cole, Jon Zens, Keith Giles, Dan Herford, and Richard Jacobson, regarding decision-making in non-institutional churches, which you can find here:

Jan 2, 2017

In this episode, Richard shares excerpts from the following podcasts:

Life Uncut: “Unchurching” with Richard Jacobson



Pancake’s House: Richard Jacobson

Dec 25, 2016

Richard and Gunnar interview Carrie Walters, regarding her amazing article for, about how to deal with offenses. You should definitely check out Carrie’s original article here:

Dec 19, 2016

Richard and Gunnar examine gender inequality in the church, in this second part of their interview with Jon Zens, author of What’s with Paul and Women? You can order his book here:

Dec 12, 2016

In this episode, Richard and Gunnar interview Jon Zens, author of A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick?

Jon shares some mind-blowing insights about Christ’s relationship to his church. To explore these ideas further, check out Jon’s YouTube videos here:

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